风云不变 发表于 2015-6-18 17:07 static/image/common/back.gif
EMM的一体机中，cdsa se是入门机，用的是飞利浦转盘，稳定性不佳（不适应高转速长期使用，耐用性差）。XD ...
看r33有传说cdsa后期改为德国制转盘 (猜测lindemann同款), 老兄听说过么.
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4realms 发表于 2015-6-18 17:20 static/image/common/back.gif
看r33有传说cdsa后期改为德国制转盘 (猜测lindemann同款), 老兄听说过么.
这个倒不知道。是指后期的黑牌改了转盘？
有些出二手的强调自己是CDSA 黑牌，估计有这个因素
找到一段：
Upgraded Transport + Feet
This is a job for the professionals, so plan on sending the unit to your dealer (or the factory) for them to accomplish. The original feet were just some simple plastic jobbers found on any low-fi piece of equipment, but the new ones are obviously machined and have a non-resonant filler within them, and are more befitting a component of this quality. However, the discussion of feet pales in comparison to the discussion of the transport change. The original transport, an OEM from Philips, was replaced with a (more or less) drop in substitute of much better quality. While still not up to the heroic construction standards of a VRDS transport, the new unit is one for which no apologies need be made. It has the look and feel of a solid drawer, with much greater rigidity to any twisting or vibration.
The differences were not subtle, and I was not struggling to hear them. As I wrote in my original review, the CDSA got negative marks for bass depth and impact that was not up to state-of-the-art standards (as defined by the Esoteric XO1-D2 in my experience). Well, the new transport made significant improvements in just these parameters, allowing a drum kit to extend lower and with a greater percussive feel. Additionally, while I was very much pleased with the leading edge of the stock unit, feeling it defined the attack without the overemphasis often found in inferior players (a characteristic which, along with an elevated treble balance, gives rise to "digititis"), the upgraded transport gave a bit more snap to the leading edge. This is a point worth elaborating on. In comparing solid-state amps and tube amps, I've found the former to emphasize attack and linearity while the latter emphasized musicality, but it was seldom the two in equal measures within any component. Prior to the upgrade, if forced to I'd have categorized the CDSA more on the "tube amp" spectrum of the above continuum, but after the transport upgrade, it is now more evenly balanced, treading that rare ground that gives rise to both the attack and the musicality. In other words, the unit has seen its sense of PRAT (pace, rhythm, and timing) improve quite significantly, while still maintaining that tonal truthfulness that made the CDSA such a godsend for vinylphiles and others who abhor the sterile sound of digital audio.
An additional improvement that was easily predicted from the use of a sturdier (which can easily be read as "more resistant to vibration") transport was the ability of the unit to extract even more details than before. Given how good the original unit was in this regard, I was surprised to hear those additional low level details that were heretofore obscured to me. What was interesting was that the net effect of this was greatly improved imaging and soundstaging. And this makes sense when you think about it. When you add detail, you're really adding information both about the performance and the venue of the recording. The unit has always gotten the performance and the venue, but the lowest level details are in the reverberation of the studio / recording hall, and extracting this information helps place performers in space.
Taken as a whole, the upgrade to the transport has taken what is arguably the finest single-box digital player up another notch or two.
确实如此。转盘换过。
但我知道的就有不少cdsa转盘维修的案例，只是没注意是否黑牌。
不考虑飞利浦转盘的顶开式唱机的一个很大原因是风云老师对它的评价一般，甚至较差:L
风云不变 发表于 2015-6-18 17:39 static/image/common/back.gif
找到一段：
Upgraded Transport + Feet
麻烦老兄特意找了, 多谢啊
不过确实sacd转盘非日货始终都是不踏实..
chaisan 发表于 2015-6-18 17:50 static/image/common/back.gif
不考虑飞利浦转盘的顶开式唱机的一个很大原因是风云老师对它的评价一般，甚至较差
飞利浦只有摇臂转盘才可以与VRDS分庭抗礼，其直线循迹的转盘都不算什么。
4realms 发表于 2015-6-18 17:52 static/image/common/back.gif
麻烦老兄特意找了, 多谢啊
不过确实sacd转盘非日货始终都是不踏实..
目前确实是这样。
日系的sacd转盘研发也经历一个过程，早期的产品并不成熟，比如马兰士的sacd转盘就问题多多，二嫂、金嗓子的早期sacd转盘也存在各种小问题，原来适用于低转速cd转盘的设计已经出现问题，主要是研究解决高转速下读取的稳定和精准，高损耗使用下转盘的耐用性问题，目前，日系的sacd转盘已经比较成熟了，进入了如同90年代cd机那时的黄金期，无论是金嗓子、二嫂、天龙，还是马兰士、雅马哈、力士，其转盘整体水平都不错，尤其是VRDS-NEO，可谓登峰造极。主要因为sacd在日本的发展还是很昌盛。
反观欧美，基本放弃了sacd转盘的研发，要么采用飞利浦塑料机芯，要么直接用电脑光驱，而把主要精力花在后一道的数字整形、时钟线路设计和再后面的模拟放大上，但在很高的水平线上，第一道读取正确的效果比后面修补要来的自然，因此真正想做极致产品的厂家如DCS、EMM等也不得不向日系转盘低头。
但是转盘的进化目前还受制于一个因素——光头。这个产业的结构早已调整，都是低端货，高端光头几乎绝迹，即使是VRDS-NEO，用的也只是飞利浦SPU3162的dvd头。假如还有蔡司光头，就好了.....
请教楼主，如果功放是雷神，就声音走向来讲，与其搭配是天龙系，还是马兰士系？
LUOXIONGWEI 发表于 2015-6-19 15:43 static/image/common/back.gif
请教楼主，如果功放是雷神，就声音走向来讲，与其搭配是天龙系，还是马兰士系？
喇叭是什么？
看了您的帖子 实在是学习了 我也喜欢大声场非常赞同您对MBL葫芦箱子的认同我就是喜欢那种
感觉那个人就在前面台子上唱歌的感觉， 所以可能年底就会收个MBL120或者126这样的小葫芦玩一下
，CD机暂时不想投入太多，喜欢听交响还有也听古典，还有男声，考虑CD机的话艺雅ＣＸ７不知道
适合听大场面大声场音乐么？？还有天龙SA1看有人出二手100v 这个东西是不是不能要了？
其实最多考虑还是二嫂，看到他家入门的 SZ-1 （好像用的是VRDS转盘吧，二手15000），以及那个SA-60（用的VOSP转盘二手15000价格）
）当然还有个选择就是买全新的K-07，价格21000。不知道那个合适我，SZ-1估计转盘最好。不知道您还有什么别的建议么？还有别的选择么？
女声我不太听金嗓子510估计不适合我。别人还有人建议了ARC 3或者5 ，怀念就贵了一些了超过2万挺多，二手的话CARY KRELL 马克敢选择么？
还有就是买个日系二手几千的转盘搭配wadia X-64.4的解码这么玩？效果会好过ＣＸ７么？毕竟是旗舰解码了，柏林之声９９２这样的老货还敢接不？
zhuangzhong 发表于 2015-6-20 11:07 static/image/common/back.gif
看了您的帖子 实在是学习了 我也喜欢大声场非常赞同您对MBL葫芦箱子的认同我就是喜欢那种
感觉那个人就在前 ...
二嫂低端没什么意思，k05以上转盘才代表其水平。
老货如果经验不足不要考虑。
建议艺雅7emp，长处就是大规模管弦乐，系统越大越能体现。
风云不变 发表于 2015-6-20 12:26 static/image/common/back.gif
二嫂低端没什么意思，k05以上转盘才代表其水平。
老货如果经验不足不要考虑。
建议艺雅7emp，长处就是大 ...
但是我看SZ-1就是用的他家VRDS的转盘啊， ＳＡ６０就低一点了 用的ＶＯＳＰ，这么说来 也就艺雅最合适我对吧 谢谢了 升级了ＣＤ 年底再搞个小葫芦， 真是中毒葫芦啊，感觉你面前就是舞台那种！
对了 还有 ，KRELL 280300 还有 怀念的6 、8 啊 这些是不是太老了 不宜接手呢？对了 还有ARC 2、3、5 这三个估计二手也可以看看
zhuangzhong 发表于 2015-6-20 12:52 static/image/common/back.gif
对了 还有 ，KRELL 280300 还有 怀念的6 、8 啊 这些是不是太老了 不宜接手呢？对了 还有ARC 2、3、5 这三 ...
ARC cd5，音乐之旅 1up，机龄三年以内，18000左右也可以考虑，具体选择依照后端而定
krell wadia 太老了，容易坏
