SONY CD1700 VS．Grado，Akg，＆Sennheiser（二）出炉

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Sony MDR-CD1700 VS. Grado,AKG,&Sennheiser(二)译文奉献给大家，谢谢您一直的关注&lt

>原文：&lt

>Alright, here is Part two. &lt

>CDs used :
Crumb ?Original Soundtrack, Jimi Hendrix ?The Ultimate Experience, My Dying Bride ?Like Gods of the Sun, &lt

>Cradle of Filth ?From the Cradle to Enslave &lt

>I decided to now test the headphones using 4 very different styles of guitar based music. There will be &lt

>no rankings this time, instead I will discuss each headphone&#39s strengths and weakness with each song. &lt

>1st up is a song from the Crumb ?Original Soundtrack called Ragtime Nightingale, the last track on the &lt

>CD, the guitar version. This song is very simple, one guy playing acoustic guitar, nothing too fast, &lt

>just a great straight forward simple song. No vocals, just the guitar is used. &lt

>This song sounded the best with the Grado HP-2, since the guitar sounded like a real guitar. The Grado HP-2 provided the most realistic imaging all of the headphones on this track. The Sony MDR-CD1700 had too much of a lush mid-range for this song, it made it sound almost like a bass guitar. Grado SR-60 were detailed, but the guitar wasn&#39t life-size like with the HP-2, not enough air and body to make it seem realistic. The Sennheiser HD600 sounded good, but the HP-2 sounded so much cleaner and clearer that the HD600 couldn&#39t quite pull off the effect of hearing the real deal. The AKG K501 has a very clean sound, the guitar sounded very nice, but it still seem to be missing something that kept it from sounding real, like it did with the HP-2. That said, for this track, the AKG 501 was my second favorite headphone. 2nd up is a song from the CD Jimi Hendrix ?The Ultimate Experience called Little Wing. This is also a great simple song, but unlike the above track, it&#39s an electric guitar of course, and you have a full band and vocals. Most of you know this song, I would think. It&#39s my favorite thing that Hendrix ever did. This was a little different, since this song let the headphones show their strengths and weakness better than the other track. The Sony MDR-CD1700 had the best vocals, they just sounded smooth and heavenly. The Drums also were great on the Sony MDR-CD1700. The guitar wasn&#39t quite right however. It was fun to listen to what the Sony MDR-CD1700 did to the vocals, I never heard them that way, very nice. But, this is Hendrix, so you want the guitar to be perfect and it was far from that on the 1700, I think it goes back to the mid-range being too lush for it&#39s own good, it almost sounds like there&#39s tubes in the headphones, or something. The Grado SR-60 didn&#39t sound bad at all, but they were the 1st can that I used for this song, sometimes people may not realize what they are missing or the weaknesses of their headphones unless they sit down and really compare and contrast like I抦 doing here. While the Grado SR-60 sounded good, you still were aware that you were listening to a CD on a pair of headphones. Sennheiser HD600 made the bass and drums sound great, you could also tell where everyone were suppose to be, but it just was too laid back and just not clear enough to make the illusion of sitting in the studio listening to them play rather than listening to a CD. The Sennheiser HD600 doesn&#39t seem to be at home with more simple styles of music. Something very wrong happen when I tried this song with the AKG K501, I remember someone posting that the AKG K501 made the soundstage appear at his feet. Well, I never really heard that before with these headphones until I heard this song, the soundstage appeared to be titled in a 90 degree angle. It was the weirdest thing I ever heard. This made the AKG K501 hands down the worst headphones of the bunch for this track. I don&#39t know how to explain why the AKG K501 did this to the soundstage, but I have a feeling that whatever colorations AKG is using to make the soundstage appear so wide is screwing with the imaging. Finally, the Grado HP-2. It should be noted that I didn&#39t listen to the headphones in this order as you can tell, so don&#39t think that the HP-2 came after the AKG, the Sony came after the AKG, just in case you wanted to know. The Grado HP-2 was hands down the best headphone for this song as well. The guitar sounded so realistic that I also cried it was so beautiful. I truly felt that I was sitting in, close your eyes, and you are there. It didn&#39t sound like a recording, it was amazing effect. 3rd up is a song from the CD My Dying Bride ?Like Gods of the Sun called For My Fallen Angel. This is one of the saddest songs ever made in any style of music. Once again, it&#39s a simple song : a violin, keyboards, and spoken word is all that is with this song. The violin is real, but the keyboards are used to simulate a full string assemble and choirs. The violin acts as the lead, the deep vocals are spoken word. The Sony MDR-CD1700 made the vocals and the choirs sound great, but the violin was is bit veiled as was the strings in the background. However, the vocals have this haunting reverb thing happening which is very subtle, if you don&#39t know what to listen for, it was missing with the Sony MDR-CD1700 as it appeared to be smoothed over. The AKG K501 made the main real violin sound fake and the imaging made it seem like this massive over size violin, but it was flat, very odd. The husk of his voice was almost strip away, not good. That said however, the keyboards sounded the best on the AKG K501 by far, why did it do this part of the song so well, and yet screwed up the rest I have no idea, but that&#39s the way it was. The Sennheiser HD600 was the second best headphone with this song. The vocals were perfect, as it got that reverb thing I mention before perfectly. Nothing sounded out of place, or wrong with the Sennheiser HD600 on this track like it did with the AKG&#39s. The Grado SR-60 did an ok job, but it was missing many of the more subtle details of the track. The HP-2 made the violin sound like a real violin, just very beautiful. It was cleaner to hear that the keyboards were just keyboards with the HP-2&#39s than the other cans. The vocal while great, was missing that extra something that the HD600 gave it, I think this was because the HD600 go a little deeper in the bass than the HP-2. Everything sounds very clear, and engaging. It managed to capture the emotion of losing the love of your life, the HD600 came close but you still felt a little remove, not too much but enough that you didn&#39t get the full emotionally impact of the song like you did with the HP-2. 4th is a song from the CD Cradle of Filth ?From the Cradle to Enslave called Funeral in Carpathia (Be quick or be Dead Version). This is my special headphone torture test song, just in time for Halloween. This song will make most headphones quake in fear, since it&#39s so extremely layered, complex and fast, and slow. There are over 50 different elements happening at once and the song changes from a fast, to a opera , to a smooth slow song, to a fast song again. Tons of nature sounds, effects and many different vocals are used both male and female. Classical instruments, and of course your guitars, drums, keyboards and the rest. I think it&#39s a fitting way to end this review on this day, Halloween, full moon and all. The Sony MDR-CD1700 was having a rough time keeping up with the song, I wasn&#39t liking how it was handling things, that is until the female vocals kick in, wow. That&#39s one thing the Sony MDR-CD1700 can do extremely well, female vocals and well as male vocals. But, with female vocals it&#39s magical, they sound so lovely. Same thing happen with my Wagner opera CD that I used in the 1st part of this review. The Grado SR-60 soundstage is just too small to contain so many things at once, I was having a hard time telling things apart, but the metal guitars sounded good, the current Grado headphones sure could do rock guitars really well, even at this entry level, but the song is so much more than just that, it just couldn&#39t keep up with the rest. The AKG K501 flatted everything out and spread everything from each other, you wasn&#39t missing any of the many elements, but none of them sounded very convincing, there just wasn&#39t any depth, but it did keep up with the song, however it sounded, well boring. AKG K501 just wasn&#39t very engaging at all, not very musical. Not that it sounded bad, it was just that it made you feel indifferent to the music being played. The Sennheiser HD600 manage to handle all the elements being thrown at it with ease. It had no problem keeping up. Everything was spread so that you could hear every element without missing anything, and all of this and depth too. Sennheiser HD600 really do seem happier with really complex music like this type of metal and classical than more simple styles. The Grado HP-2 made all the elements seem very realistic, everything was clear, but due to the HP-2 being more forward than the HD600&#39s, it almost seem like too much of a good thing, and things got a little confusing with the more complex parts of the song, while this never happen with the 600&#39s. At the end I liked the Sennheiser HD600 best for this type of music, but they just don&#39t sound as clear as the HP-2 nor is their imagining as great, but you are able to hear everything no matter how complex things get with ease which let&#39s you get into the music more, at least with the more complex styles. At last, there you have it. It was a lot of work, but it was fun too .
译文好了，该第二部分了
采用的CD:
 
  Crumb的原声碟
  基米.亨德里克斯的最终体验
　　My　Dying　Bride的Like Gods of the Sun
  Cradle of Filth的From the Cradle to Enslave　　现在我打算用四种风格迥异的吉他乐来测试这些耳机。这次测试不采用排名的办法，而是逐一讨论每款耳机在表现每首歌时的长处和不足。
　　首先上场的是Crumb公司的原声碟中最后一首叫Ragtime　Nightingale的吉他版曲目。这首曲子非常简洁，只有一位演奏者弹奏非电声吉他，速度不是很快，曲调平直向前发展。这首曲目中没有人声，就一把吉他在演奏。
　　这首曲目用歌德的HP-2听起来最棒，因为吉他声在这个耳机上听起来更像是一把真吉他。在所有的耳机中歌德的HP-2耳机提供了最真实的结像。索尼MDR－CD1700的中频有些过于华丽，这使得这首曲子听起来更像是一把低音吉他在演奏。歌德的Grado　SR－60细节交代得很清楚，但和HP-2比起来吉他和实物的大小有些偏差，没有足够的空气感和实体感，听上去不似那般真实。森的HD600听起来不错，但声音不如HP-2那般干净、清晰，要达到现场的效果还有些差距。爱科技的K501拥有非常纯净的声音，吉他声听起来非常不错，但和现场效果比起来好像总少了些什么，而HP-2却能够做到。这么说吧，就这首曲子而言，爱科技的K501是我第二钟情的耳机。
　　接着上场的是基米.亨德里克斯的最终体验CD，一首叫作Little　Wing的曲目。这也是一首非常简单的曲目，与上面不同的是，这是由一把电吉他演奏的，是一个完整的乐队演绎的，包括人声。我想大多数人都了解这首曲子，在基米.亨德里克斯的作品中这部是我的最爱。与其他曲目有所不同的是，这首曲子更能让这些耳机展现魅力及暴露不足。索尼的MDR－CD1700有着最好的人声表现，它听起来是如此光滑优美。鼓声在MDR－CD1700上也表现得非常棒，但吉他声却不是那么准确。听索尼MDR－CD1700所表现的人声是如此让人惬意。我从未听到这样的效果，感觉非常好。但这是基米.亨德里克斯的作品，所以你指望吉他有完美的表现，但在CD1700上还远远达不到这种效果，我认为这是因为CD1700的中频被设计得太过华丽了，听起来就象耳机中有胆管（的味道）或是别的什么。歌德的SR－60听起来一点不差，这副耳机是我最先用来听这首曲子的，有时人们并不能够意识到他们的耳机中少了什么成分或耳机的缺陷，除非他们像我一样坐下来用不同的耳机做一次比较和对照。尽管SR－60听起来不错，但你仍然能感觉到你是通过一副耳机在听碟。森的HD600使得低音和和鼓声听起来非常棒，你甚至能够指出每个人应该所在的位置，但是它听起来声音太过靠后并且没有清晰得象在录音棚听这些人演奏一样，仍然只是在听碟的感觉．森的HD600看来并不擅长表现简单类型的音乐．当我在试听爱科技K501耳机时遇到一个十分明显的错误，我记得有人发过帖子说爱科技K501营造的声场到了他的脚下.的确，我从来都不曾听到过这种现象直到我用这副耳机来听这首曲子，声场好像被转了个90度的弯，这是我听过的最不可思议的现象，这让爱科技的K501在表现这首歌时在所有耳机中落得最差。我说不清爱科技的K501怎么会把这首曲子表现得这样，但我有种感觉不管AKG通过什么样的染色将声场拓展得这么宽，这种做法肯定改变了声音的结像。最终，歌德的HP－2（需要指出的是我并不是照你所以为的顺序听每一款耳机，所以不要认为HP－２接着爱科技出场，索尼接着爱科技出场，你想要的答案藏在箱子里呢）在表现这首曲子的时候取得了头名。在这副耳机上，吉他声是如此的真实，让我暗自称奇竟会如此之美。我能真切地感到我就坐在那儿（录音棚，译者猜），闭上眼睛，你真的就在那儿。它听上去已不像是录音，这真是一种神奇的效果。
　　随后登场的是一张叫My Dying Bridge&#39s Like Gods of the Sun中的一首曲子：My　Fallen　Angle.这是有史以来各种类型的最哀伤的曲子之一。依然如此，这是一首简单的歌曲：一部小提琴，键盘，以及一些说唱词就构成了这首歌曲。小提琴很真实，键盘用来模拟一串娟丝和吟唱。由小提琴领衔，低沉的人声为说唱词。
　　索尼的MDR－CD1700让人声和吟唱听起来非常棒，但小提琴仿佛被蒙上了一层纱像是到了后台的位置。然而，人声使得这些萦绕脑海的混响变得很稀薄，如果你不知道该倾听什么，用索尼的MDR－CD1700听起来好像被掩盖了。爱科技的K５０１使得领衔的小提琴声有些虚假，所产生的结像也有些过头，但倒是很平滑，很奇怪。人声的轮廓像是被去除了，不是很好。然而，键盘声在爱科技K501上听起来确实最好的，我不知道它为何对乐曲的这部分表现得如此之好，却弄糟了其余的部分，但确实如此。森的HD600是将这首曲子表现得第二好的一副耳机。人声显得完美，它也将我在上面提及的回响表现得很完美。在森的HD600上听起来没有成分出位，或是被错误地表现，不像AKG那样。歌德的SR－60做得不错，但丢失了许多细节的成分。HP－2使小提琴听起来像真的一样，很美。键盘音听起来也比其他耳机要清楚。人声听起来很棒，却少了一些HD600所能表现的特别的东西，我猜想是因为HD600在低频上要比HP－2下潜得更深一点。每样成分听起来都非常清晰，动人。它帮你找回了生活中逐渐失去的热情，HD600紧随其后但还是有些差距，这种差距不是很大但这种差距已经使它不能像HP－2那样在表现这首乐曲时带给你情感上的冲击。
　　第四首曲子是Cradle of Filth&#39s From the Cradle to Enslave中的一首曲子：Funeral　in Carpathia（Be　quick ro be Dead Version).这是一首我用来对耳机进行折磨般的测试的曲子，正好算是庆祝万圣节前夜。这首曲子使大多数耳机发出令人害怕的震颤。因为这首曲子特别有层次，特别复杂，特别快速，或是特别慢。在某一时刻有超过50种乐器同时出现，会从快曲过渡到歌剧，过渡到平滑的慢曲，又过渡到快曲。其中有大量的自然声响，音效以及男女人声。有传统的乐器，当然有吉他，鼓，键盘以及其他一些乐器。我认为用这首曲子结束这次评论是个很好的主意，万圣节前夜，月儿大而圆。
　　索尼的MDR－CD1700跟上这首曲子的节奏颇有些费力，我不欣赏这种处理的手法，直到一个女声出现，哇。表现人声是索尼MDR－CD1700最拿手的一件事，无论是女声还是男声。但表现女声显得很有魔力，声音是如此可爱。在第一部分的评论中试听瓦格纳的歌剧时也有相同的效果。歌德的SR－60声场不是太大以至于不能在同一时刻展现这么多的音乐成分，通过这副耳机来将这些音乐元素分开有些费力，但金属吉他声不错，现在的歌德的耳机可以将摇滚吉他表现得很好，尽管是这副入门级的耳机，但曲子并不仅有吉他乐的成分，它跟不上其他的乐器的节奏。爱科技的K501耳机能将每件乐器分开，你不会错过任何的音乐成分，但却不让人信服，没有声场深度，然而听起来它确实不能跟上乐曲的节奏，很让人厌烦。爱科技的K501听起来一点不动人，音乐味不足。不是因为听起来不好，但就是不能让所演奏的音乐扣人心弦。森的HD600轻而易举地处理了所有的音乐成分。跟上节奏也毫无问题。每样音乐成分都被展开因此你不会错过任何东西，一样具有声场的深度。看起来森的HD600似乎更擅长处理像这种类型的金属和传统乐器并存的复杂型的音乐。歌德的HP－2使每样成分听起来很真实，很清楚，但是由于HP－2的声场比HD600更靠前一些，好像有些过头，并且在表现乐曲中比较复杂的部分时有些乱，然而在HD600上却不存在这样的问题。最终在表现这样类型的音乐时我最喜欢HD600，只是听起来没有HP－2那样清晰并且声音的结像也没有那么棒，但通过它你能将每样成分都听得很清楚，不管这种音乐有多复杂，这使得你能更容易地投入其中，至少这样复杂类型的音乐是如此。临末，这篇评论就这样展现在你的面前了。评论的工作量是很大，却充满了乐趣。

水上漂 · 发表于 2002-3-11 11:04:00

　错误和不足之处，欢迎批评指正，谢谢！

wukankan · 发表于 2002-3-11 11:10:00

和我说的一样，高频不足，中音甜美，低音收的不紧。
CD1700优点就在中频部分，有点象W100。&lt

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好东东我都喜欢。

水上漂 · 发表于 2002-3-11 11:18:00

<BLOCKQUOTE>引用:<HR>发起人 wukankan:
和我说的一样，高频不足，中音甜美，低音收的不紧。
CD1700优点就在中频部分，有点象W100。&lt

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>得中频者得天下。&lt

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wukankan · 发表于 2002-3-11 11:21:00

我不喜欢看评论，有的写的挺好，有的就，，，
我到挺象听听你的听感。说说吧。&lt

>一般刚买回来好耳机时能听出优点，但时间长了就能听出缺点了，也就说你的耳朵有提升了。&lt

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好东东我都喜欢。

wukankan · 发表于 2002-3-11 11:53:00

<BLOCKQUOTE>引用:<HR>发起人水上漂:
 得中频者得天下。&lt

><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>&lt

>STAX的2020中频没的挑，但他是STAX的入门级。
007有着全频段均衡的表现，是旗舰级。
我们玩耳机追求的不也是全频段的保真度吗，这也是SONY淘汰1700的主要原因吧。&lt

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好东东我都喜欢。[被 wukankan 编辑过（日期 03-12-2002）]

水上漂 · 发表于 2002-3-12 04:20:00

　　我很想知道想这样翻译过来的文章本来就没有什么人感兴趣？
　　如果是的话，我倒很能理解。
　　不过但愿不是像我猜想的那样。

wukankan · 发表于 2002-3-12 05:01:00

<BLOCKQUOTE>引用:<HR>发起人水上漂:
　　我很想知道想这样翻译过来的文章本来就没有什么人感兴趣？
　　如果是的话，我倒很能理解。
　　不过但愿不是像我猜想的那样。<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
翻译的是别人听的，别人的感觉。谈谈你的感觉好吗。&lt

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好东东我都喜欢。

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