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发表于 2001-11-29 04:37:00 | 显示全部楼层
香港能买到吗? <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 天神天:
<B>难啊,XA7ES要是哪位朋友看到二手的,记得叫我看货。其实SACD还是离开较远的,一个高素质的CD机足够应付2-3年了。之后很多技术都成熟了,玩起来也更有把握。</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>&lt>
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发表于 2001-12-1 05:34:00 | 显示全部楼层
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Sony SCD-777ES SACD Player &lt>by Tom Jung&lt>Sony has been shipping the SCD-1 for several months now and the reaction from users and the press has been consistently positive. Shortly after the release of the SCD-1, a lower-cost SCD-777ES player hit the streets. The basic differences are that the 777ES is black instead of silver, does not have balanced outputs and costs $3,500 ($1,500 less than the SCD-1).&lt>  Product Points
  
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Studio; audiophile; listening environments&lt>Key Features:&lt&gtlays single or dual layer DSD or dual layer hybrid discs; unbalanced outputs&lt&gtrice:&lt>$3,500&lt>Contact: <P>Sony at 800-635-7669.<P>
Plus<P>ð Great sound (SACD playback)<P>ð Rock-solid transport and construction<P>Minus<P>ð Slow CD loading<P>The Score<P>The SACD-777ES offers an incredible listening experience.

Supporters of the other format have been quick to criticize the cost of the $5,000 SCD-1 player, not realizing that high-end CD players, or even transports, can cost much more. Sony decided to introduce SACD with the best player it could build, which I believe was a good call. <P>Ed Foster does a great in-depth technical analyses of the SCD-777 and finds it measures the same as the SCD-1 (see bench test, beginning on page 54). Both players rank as probably the best CD machines built to date and come with the additional benefit of being able to play SACD. <P>I have been writing a fair amount about DSD in these pages over the past couple of years, and it is actually possible to listen to pure DSD recordings with these new SACD players. Sony decided to start with stereo units, hoping to appeal to the audiophile community (âphiles are not into surround). This was also a good call because the introduction of a new digital format along with multichannel could only add to the confusion, and both SACD and surround have the ability to add space, realism and a much-improved listening experience over the current stereo CD. <P>Features<P>The SACD Scarlet Book spec has three disc options: single-layer DSD, dual-layer DSD or dual-layer hybrid with a Red Book layer (16 bit/44.1 kHz) that Sony claims can be played on any of the 700 million players out there as well as the high-density layer that can deliver eight channels of pure DSD. Philips developed a lossless coding system called Direct Stream Transfer (DST) that makes it possible to author six full-range channels (for surround) in addition to a dedicated stereo mix of the same program (not to be confused with the automatic fold-down mix from the other guys), all on the same high-density layer. To do this the data is packed (not to be confused with lossy compression like Dolby Digital or DTS) so that bit-for-bit recovery can be achieved during playback. Both of the new Sony players are DST-equipped so future DST-authored software can be played without any problems. At this point, it is not necessary to implement DST for stereo since the 4.7 GB high-density layer has plenty of space for any two-channel program.<P>
In use<P>The setup consisted of the unbalanced outputs of each player connected to an Ayre Acoustics K-1 high-end preamplifier with Meitner solid conductor RCA-to-RCA interconnect cables. The K-1 balanced outputs were connected to a pair of JBL LSR28P powered monitors this time with XLR to XLR balanced Meitner cable. <P>Last year I did a DSD recording of the Stockholm JazzOrchestra, which is a big band playing Tango music with very meticulous orchestrations. This music will more often than not bring a playback system to its knees, with the complex interaction between brass and woodwinds. I placed a hybrid SACD of this project in each machine and set it first to play the CD layer with the variable coefficient digital filter set to the standard position on each machine (see Ed Fosterâs description of the filter settings in his bench test).<P>The SCD-1 sounded more focused, more transparent but with slightly more edge. The SCD-777 sounded smoother and fuller but lacked the detail of the SCD-1. Brass is very telling because of the upper harmonics. The added detail of the SCD-1 almost made the trumpets sound harsh while the 777 sort of rounded off the rough edges at the expense of losing transparency and detail ÷ no free lunch here, this is PCM warts and all.<P>Switching over to the SACD mode is just what the doctor ordered, especially with this type of music. The first thing you notice is how much more enjoyable it is to listen to music without any glare or harshness. My wife says itâs more ear-friendly and Karma and I agree.<P>The next thing you hear is an added dimension of depth, front to back, almost like two-channel surround if you will. The same characteristics hold true in the SACD mode as in the CD mode. The SCD-1 is more focused but this time it does not get edgy or harsh. My take on this is, in the CD mode, the complex harmonics Iâve mentioned earlier are corrupted due to phase shift and group delay caused by the brick-wall filter. With SACD there is approximately four times more data representing the music and no brick-wall filter.<P>Summary<P>Before I get carried away here I have to say that for CD playback either player does a great job, better, in fact, than most CD players out there. But when you switch over to SACD the sound is so compelling it makes you want to just listen to the music ÷ the technology disappears. <P>This is not the first time I have experienced two pieces of equipment measuring the same and sounding different. The human ear is a very complex instrument in itself. It has the ability to find differences that even the finest test equipment can fail to spot. When you add the bonus of SACD to the overall quality of these players, even at these price-points it spells good value.<P>Tom Jung, founder of DMP Records, is Pro Audio Reviewâs technical consultant and a regular contributor.
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发表于 2001-12-2 07:12:00 | 显示全部楼层
这个没有听过,多少钱呢。
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发表于 2001-11-28 02:51:00 | 显示全部楼层
有钱人的聚会哦,呵呵
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在北京,老14是什么价?
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发表于 2001-11-27 11:01:00 | 显示全部楼层
都贵!!
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发表于 2001-11-29 01:20:00 | 显示全部楼层
都是大款,我可买不起
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吴童兄好, 你说的贵丰的CD机如果是想动手的话最好慎重. 我听过的是对比一偏门的顶级机名Helios(报价3万多), 贵丰输得很惨, 我听的第一下钢琴敲击就大吃一惊... 而玩过Helios的主人却弃Helios而娶BOW的CD机. BOW三万以下就有交易.他说BOW的高频更细腻, 而我个人感觉BOW的中频比Helios饱满温暖, 但Helios的通透感好, 这里当然存在口味问题, 但贵丰CD初步感觉并不理想, 不想多说免生是非, 你动手的话最好认真对比一下.
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发表于 2001-11-27 02:14:00 | 显示全部楼层
我听的时间不长, 当时对比的是
1)TEAC50, 2)MBL CDP2, 3)BOW.
感觉BOW的声音有集TEAC50之形和MBL之神于一体, 价格也差不多是相加. 你在玩TEAC50对吗? 我比较是外面听听, 并未深入玩, 但就你家里玩的结果, 是否有TEAC50非常超值的感觉, 就声音论价, 以TEAC25作价格参考, 我感觉TEAC50似乎值两个TEAC25的价! 除了简单的声音厚度等方面的差距, 乐感,活生感有脱胎换骨的感觉.
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发表于 2001-11-27 02:54:00 | 显示全部楼层
你说的是黑色的ZZ8吧? 我没有听过, 我听的是wizard,白色. 如果你还是感兴趣, 可代你问问. 他们可以代理托运.
这么贵, 我听听就满足了, 捧回家实在太难交代, 哈哈-
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 谷雨:
<B>bow的cd3万多?
我在展会上看见z-1开价也不知是6万还是8万,顿时兴味全无。再看看那台老旧的机器,心想,抢劫呀!
虾兄再看到通知我一声。
不过我觉的贵丰的CD还是很不错,清香四溢,端庄莹丽。</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>&lt>
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好一个"不断受着理性、情感和幻象的折磨"! 只有烧执着了才能领悟其中的酸甜苦辣!! 这价位对大多数中国人都已经是个不轻松的数目, 期望不可能不大, 投入后希望一击即中, 但是... 哎! 别太执着的好, 即使不甘心做井底之蛙, 也要想办法对更高价位的东西做个健忘的人, 就算我成了单身贵族, 5万元的CD机我怎么说也还觉得是奢侈品. &lt>期待你详细的SACD-14,跟50的对比报告. &lt>我以MBL CDP2作基准间接比较的粗略感觉是TEAC50好, 我喜欢自然的东西, SACD-14有加音乐味的人为痕迹, 略感过火, 有点象日本某些发烧天碟的刻意渲染的感觉,可能容易产生好感些. 但同样乐感出色的MBL少了几分妖冶之气, 其自然流畅的金黄色调更得我心, 而HIFI上SACD-14略占上风, 显得更精雕细作些, 但MBL CDP2也不至于惨败(我觉MBL校声技巧让人叹为观止, 想一想1bit的马兰氏67, 神!); 而在MBL CDP2跟TEAC50的比较中让我心里直叨咕, 有点都难割舍的味道. TEAC50的形体感, 活力等赢MBL CDP2,其HIFI性跟音乐性的结合也是这个价位所少见的, 虽然自然流畅不敌MBL, 但凭印象感觉可赢SACD-14, 但味多半还是马兰氏重些, 毕竟SACD-14也算是很超值的东西, 可以给这价位的日本机没音乐捞回点面子. 但个人感觉它的分寸把握不如TEAC50得体. 而且HIFI上SACD-14多半要输(播CD). 在没有同台比较的情况下我投TEAC50一票, 对我而言, 我感觉无论是音乐性又或者是HIFI性都来得自然些吧. &lt> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 谷雨:
<B>上次在吴童那听50,跟老叶的胆解码比。发现50在RCA输出时实在比平衡差太多。RCA输出时没有老叶的声音平衡也没有老叶的声音美,平衡输出时各有胜负。
25的声音的确比50差一大节,不过25是个好转盘。起码比同价位的马兰氏的强很多。
虾兄,我觉的2-5万的cd最难选,不断受着理性、情感和幻象的折磨。
明天与老吴一起去听听SACD-14,跟50比比看。</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>&lt>
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发表于 2001-11-27 05:09:00 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵- 我玩土炮, 贼便宜, 企图让LP面对我时有犯罪感"我是多么的对不起LG, 他那么热爱声音..." 哈哈- 在做梦!!&lt> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 小白:
<B>大头虾:有一点共同感受,买了越贵的器材,回家面对LP时犯罪感越强!谷雨等快乐单身青年就没有这种感觉了。</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>&lt>
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主要是谷雨的那句"理性情感幻像"引得我口沫遮拦, 不好意思!&lt>我们关于50的看法确实接近, 其实发烧友有时意见相去甚远是各人尺度分寸的把握, 但大方向尤其是AB比较, 明摆着的东西还是可以沟通的. 我很高兴我们看法相近, 但感觉吴童兄似乎对50乐感仍然有一定的保留, 可能是拥有者与追求者心态上的差异, 也可能吴童兄对乐感的要求品位比我高. TEAC50身上HIFI性在播人声弦乐等温情幽雅的情调品位类音乐上的确是显夸张, 但播热烈场面的时候(不一定要爆), 我觉得会得到补偿. 或者说我喜欢的正是50身上充满活力生机的声音. 相反, 过火的人为品位, 让人醉生梦死的声音, 有时让我联想起温室里的盆景, 美是美, 可就是有点病态, 特别是倾向性严重的时候, 失去了中性而成了欲雅反俗. 我想如果你换机后, 可能会怀念它对声音演绎的活跃, 至少也有高性价比的评价. 能比一比 Sony SCD-1 倒是个不错的主意. 欧洲机3万我觉得真可能满足不了你. &lt>发烧真要命! 我喜欢玩, 但我时刻告诫自己: 凡是有得有失, 有限资金的投入, 还是知足常乐! &lt> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 吴童:
<B>没想到随便说了几句倒引起众兄弟认真起来。&lt>虾兄对TEAC 50的看法与我很多相同之处,TEAC-50整体的音色重心比起25X要低,中低频厚重,高频也有些收敛,刚开机用它时感觉力道太猛,高低频足、信息多,声音跳跃有些夸张,烧了几天后就好一些,现在听的感觉是TEAC厂也注强调音乐的表现了,它的声音有自由的活跃感,钢琴和男声可以收货,香港两个写手听TEAC-50的感受是此机60%注重音乐,40%注重Hi-Fi,这点我倒觉得有点意外,这两个作者听的TEAC-50 CD机肯定不是新机,是煲过的,新机开声不是这个感觉,与煲4-5天的声音有很大的差别。&lt>MBL CDP-2我在海印听了,感觉此机不像德国机的快劲、清爽的声音,它的节奏似乎有意放缓,抒情性是更像英国味道,不少朋友们说此机改自Marantz,听声音、看机形和转盘进出倒觉得有点像。&lt>现在可能就是兜里有三万米也没目标买CD机,对Merdian 588有点失望,如果对自家系统的音乐性有信心的话,要么考虑Sony SCD-1啦? 等忙过这一阵,要搞几台CD机对比一下了。&lt>看来明天要扛着4040耳机去听SACD-14了?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>&lt>
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我有3万就买DENON S-1。
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