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发表于 2002-2-21 01:32:00 | 显示全部楼层
同意!我听过的耳机中的确还没有W-100相类似的声音的。
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发表于 2002-2-21 01:37:00 | 显示全部楼层
大家谈论的都这么深奥,你们都是学经济的吧!
我还是觉得这和经济发展的程度有很大关系
很大一部分中国人在精神需求上还没烧到这种程度
也不会为了一款耳机花上几千元
因此中国的商家不会在这方面投入很大资金.理所当然无法和国外公司竞争
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发表于 2002-2-21 01:38:00 | 显示全部楼层
对,越前漆是w11j和2002的。
w100的声音嘛,我不知道日本人为什么喜欢这种声音?
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发表于 2002-2-21 02:46:00 | 显示全部楼层
你没看日本漫画上都是大眼睛MM和高高瘦瘦的GG嘛,不奇怪,寻找的是没有的东西。
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发表于 2002-2-21 02:55:00 | 显示全部楼层
日本人有的喜欢吃纳豆,有的人也无法接受
中国人有的喜欢吃臭豆腐,喝豆汁,也有很多人无法接受
只是个人爱好问题.对于w2002这种限量版,就算耳机线用24K镀金的也没什么新鲜的.毕竟是来收藏的.涂越前漆估计也是好看多余实用...
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发表于 2002-2-21 03:26:00 | 显示全部楼层
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 vivaldi:
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[B]你没看日本漫画上都是大眼睛MM和高高瘦瘦的GG嘛,不奇怪,寻找的是没有的东西。</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
电版呀,这不是日本人要寻找的、现实中没有的东西。
这种造型风格能流行,几成定式,只能说明大多数日本人认为这种造型是美的,当然这种趣味无疑是极为拙劣的。&lt>
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不仅是拙劣的,而且证明了日本人缺少创造性的“民族性”。也是一种低俗“文化”。&lt>
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 楼主| 发表于 2002-2-21 03:32:00 | 显示全部楼层
搞什么呀?W100的声音很好听的,日本人喜欢有什么奇怪的,外国耳机论坛上那个德国佬、美国佬不是也很喜欢?我也很喜欢。
喜欢W100的声音是很正常的事,一点不奇怪。
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发表于 2002-2-21 03:44:00 | 显示全部楼层
喜欢W100没错误,只是现在延伸到民族文化的高度啦,这叫高频去的尽。
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发表于 2002-2-21 04:11:00 | 显示全部楼层
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 电视:
<B>喜欢W100没错误,只是现在延伸到民族文化的高度啦,这叫高频去的尽。</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
幽默!
其实器材特性与民族个性还真有点关系,日本人比较刻板机械,所以日本cd机的转盘作的特好,日本人比较喜欢一些稀奇古怪的东西,比如“女体盛”,刚才CYC说600在唱高音和唱低音时嘴不一样大,听w100这种感觉会很强烈,有的频段上声音很大,可能是木头壳子里的驻波,加点吸音棉?&lt>
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发表于 2002-2-21 04:24:00 | 显示全部楼层
已经加啦,那没有用,驻波要阻尼掉才行,乱加东东声音会变坏的。
日本人变态,我不喜欢,但是有不少好产品呀,没办法,同档次的欧美货贵得出奇。
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一篇老外对比,R10 和W2002的文章&lt>WOOD IS GOOD: Sony R10 vs. Audio Technica ATH W2002
As promised, here&#39s a new thread that will evolve into a review of the W2002. This will be more like a little diary of the ownership/listening experience, written as I progress.&lt>Opening Thoughts
In a lot of ways, it appears that Audio Technica had the Sony R10 in their cross-hairs when they began designing their wooden phones. They openly, almost brazenly adopted many of the innovations of the Sony R10, especially on this latest model, the W2002, which even shares the R10&#39s lambskin ear cushions. AT has released five models of wooden headphones in all, with 4 models preceding the W2002. They&#39ve had five shots at beating the R10-- have they succeeded? Was that even their goal?&lt>The way I see it, the W2002 is the result of 4 successive product development experiences with "high-end" wooden phones, so I expect that the W2002 is probably as close to a state of the art dynamic headphone as exists today. What would the R10 sound like after four more product iterations? Is this even a fair comparison? Perhaps sound/design/marketing goals were fundamentally different? From this side of the ocean, it&#39s hard to really know.&lt>True, The ATH W2002 is priced well-below the Sony R10, although you will recall that the R10 originally came out in 1989 when the relationship of yen to dollar was very different. I wonder how the price of the R10 and the ATH W2002 would really compare in today&#39s dollars?&lt>Why am I hung up on that? I THINK it&#39s valid to do a head-to-head with these phones, but I&#39m not sure. In any case, that&#39s how I&#39m going to proceed.&lt>The Box:
A very handsome and macho-looking case that appears to be made of plastic with maybe aluminum trim. Though the box is designed to look somewhat like a Haliburton case, let&#39s just say, its not quite as rugged. More for show, but that&#39s fine, I am not hung up on cases, but I know some of you freaks are.
When you open the box, you get a big grin. The W2002 is buried in a red-satiny shiny material that drapes randomly all over like the backgound to those nude Marilyn Monroe photos. The effect is somewhat gaudy, almost bawdy and pornographic. Nestled deep inside all this material is Marilyn-- I mean the W2002, and I am immediately struck by their size--they are definitely smaller than the R10s.&lt>Verdict: Nod must go to Sony&#39s absurdly posh leather box and hard-bound book. (What, no hardcover book on the development of the W2002? AS IF!)&lt>Fit and Finish
She sure is purty. Every bit as purty as the R10, but not as substantial. The R10&#39s are BIG and comfy and snuggle the head perfectly. There&#39s plenty of room within the R10&#39s earcup for your ears, but not the W2002. They don&#39t quite fit as well or as comfortably as the Sony R10&#39s over my (admittedly large) ears.
W2002 does not have as much cushioning as the ultra-comfy R10s. Nevertheless, the W2002 is very, very comfortable in its own right-- no big red flags there.
On my head, the W2002 is not as snug as the R10s and are probably closer in snugess to the somewhat loosey-goosey Sony CD3000. W2002 feels somewhat heavier on your head than the R10s, but they are not heavy. One advantage of the W2002 over the R10&#39s is in my ability to put my head back on my comfy chair. The R10s portrude way out in the back (baby got back!) and so they sometimes collide with the cushion in an uncomfortable way, forcing the headphones forward, if you can picture that. I do not have this problem with the slimmer W2002 and that&#39s a good thing.&lt>As far as build quality goes-- the wooden enclosures are indeed very beautiful, but with the heavy laquering, they almost feel like plastic. The assembly itself is not as rugged or sturdy as the R10. Of course, they are two completely different designs, but the magnesium R10s convey stability, while the W2002 has a plastic-y frame that emphasizes flexibility. This may be a deliberate design choice that I will come to appreciate over time, it may be a limitation of the design, or a limitation of the materials they had available to use for the construction. In any case, W2002 is not as substantial in places where they pivot as the R10. Those two thin "rails" that circumnavigate the head are not especially sturdy, but maybe they don&#39t need to be. There are two independently-moving pads that rest on top of the head. They have lots of moving pieces that allow them to conform to your head, but they are constructed of somewhat thin pieces of platic. &lt>The cord is very nice, but not as thick and supple as the r10s. The plug on the W2002 is SWEET. Really buff, beefy, heavy, and purty. <P>Verdict: Nod goes to Sony R10 in terms of comfort and in terms of (apparent) build quality. That said, the W2002 is extremely attractive and very well-built. It&#39s only in comparison to the R10 that it could possibly come up short. ATH W2002 is probably more comfortable than the Sony CD3000 or HD600, although its been months since I&#39ve had either of them.<P>The W2002 will be burning in for several days, so as I have information on sound quality that&#39s coherent and meaningful, I will post.<P>markl<P>
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发表于 2002-2-22 10:33:00 | 显示全部楼层
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="宋体">引用:</font><HR>发起人 电视:
<B>已经加啦,那没有用,驻波要阻尼掉才行,乱加东东声音会变坏的。
日本人变态,我不喜欢,但是有不少好产品呀,没办法,同档次的欧美货贵得出奇。</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
加吸音棉是对驻波的阻尼,反正声音也就那样,加点也差不到哪去。
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 楼主| 发表于 2002-2-20 09:22:00 | 显示全部楼层

最近美国耳机论坛上W100和W2002很热门,终于有人比较了W100和W2002...

原来有W100的没有W2002,有W2002的没有W100,所以各说各的好,没有比较。这会终于来了个家伙同时比较了两者。据他说,两副木头耳机的声音相差不小,简直象两个品牌的耳机。它们共同的优点当然还是有,如音色优美、透明度超卓、低频出色、高频自然而没有人为的提升,等等,但基本音色是不同的,另外W2002的声音更精致一点,音场稍宽于W100。
可惜的是这个老外不大善于用词语表达出声音的区别。读了他的帖子,只知道两者声音不同,怎么个不同看不出来!
我自己直接将W100和RS1对比过,觉得还是W100文雅温柔的声音更吸引我,RS1的声音要硬得多、强烈前冲得多、速度快得多。我的猜测是,W2002的声音比W100快,前冲一些,接近RS1一点,造成两者的基本音色不同,因为W100是典型的柔慢优雅型的耳机。
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